I am quite pleased with my Papa Bear. Size is excellent as I have large hands but weapon is small enough to hide in a pair of shorts easily. This is my carry/camping/back counter flying weapon. The 410/.45 size is a nice combination and the Winchester Defense rounds are an appropriate all around shot. Makes a TON of noise on discharge which is a great alternative. Makes getting coyotes, bear, rattlesnakes and the occasional mountain lion run away from you without having to use force. Well done Bond Arms, well done!